"Robin Fairbairns" <rf10@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> tony sayer <tony@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>>In article <toJ_j.853$iM3.120@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Harvey R. Stone
>><hrstone@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> scribeth thus
>>>Tony,,, you do not have to repeat all of what has been said. In
other
>>>words, you do not have to repeeeet the crap.
>>
>>Well most of it was snipped..
>>
>>However it might not be crap this is often the case in science;)
>
> if he were to show us double-blind, peer-reviewed studies that
> suggests his iron postulate has legs, i'll be interested. most
> s****-oil people don't do that sort of thing, and rely on "studies"
> which re****t how many people say they feel "better" after something or
> other. since that sort of result can come from the placebo effect,
> such studies are useless as scientific evidence. it's good to know if
> a problem can be affected by a placebo, but to claim that a medication
> is worth spending money on when it's no more use than placebo, is
> plain misleading.
>
>>And how many get worse symptoms when its damp;?..
>>
>>I like this "rust" theory;!..
>
> i've noticed the damp effect. i've also seen re****ts that the effect
> is related to atmospheric pressure (low pressure, which tends to
> signal rain in this country, causes problems). i've never seen a
> detailed study of either claim.
The changing high and low pressure causes some of us to feel pain in some
of
our joints. I went to a RD many years ago that had an office in a
building in the medical center of Houston. That building has a lightning
fast elevator if no one else was calling on the floors between and the
doctors office. When it stopped,,, my ears would pop and both knees
would
go """ throbbb"""". People in the elevator would always look at me
because
I could not help groaning before I stepped out of it. :-) my kind of
prooofff that pressure change does cause pain.
Harv
>
> however, the suggestion that excess iron in the body would "rust" is
> plain silly. one of the real problems with treating anaemia is
> persuading the body to take up the iron in the drugs offered; this is
> because, to make it soluble at all, the iron has to be in a compound
> form, and for it to be taken up it has to be chelated into an organic
> compound in the body. in neither case is the iron available to
> "rust".
>
> in any case, if iron is such a devil, why doesn't popeye, who subsists
> on an iron-rich vegetable, a martyr to arthritis?
>
> note 1: that last sentence wasn't intended to be on the same level as
> the rest.
>
> note 2: i haven't studied chemistry since the 1960s: i gave it up to
> become a mathematician. so it's probably easy to pick holes in my
> chemistry, but the basic principles are as likely as not "sound".
> --
> Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge
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