Re: SPAM-LOW: Patrice X. PETIT - candidate for Bioligical councilor -
Discusion initiated by R.C. Leif
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Date: Thu Mar 20 2008 - 18:27:45 EDT
I'd also like to discuss the topic of the cost of
meetings... the exchange rate isn't the MOST
expensive part of this meeting!! I'm not sure
if the member****p is aware that the 'official'
hotel of ISAC for the meeting is the most
expensive in the area! The cost per night for a
room is 241 - 261 EU per night... and WE the
member****p are paying for the officials to stay
there!! I don't know about you but for me, $400
a night is a bit much!! How MANY officials do
we pay for at this rate? and to top it off, It
is 5.5 km away from the venue! Not even close in
Proximity!! I pay for my own expenses for this
meeting... no university or generous donor! If
they had to pay their own, I wonder what hotel
they'd pick? If we can't have officers that are
as careful with our money as we are, then we need to do something
about it!!
Sue
At 07:48 AM 3/20/2008, Patrice PETIT wrote:
>Dear Friends, Dear colleagues,
>
>As you all certainely know from the iSAC Web
>site, I am candidate for a position of Biological councellor
>
>=95 Concerning the ISAC goals
>
>I really appreciated the widely developed
>discussion initiated this morning by Robert C.
>Leif on the cytometry mailing list.
>I do not feel that this is the usual way of
>doing so inside ISAC, but I am sure that this
>the way we must take for the futur.
>I do fully agree with the 5 points -discussed by R.C. Leif (see in N.B.
be=
low)
>I hope that expressing also a complementary set
>of goals will stimulate the discussion.
>
>Cost of the meetings.
>As described in the point 2, the cost of the
>meeting has to stay as low as possible. They are
>many possibilities of lowering the cost, if the
>attendees also accept for exemple to decrease
>the standard of their hotels and follow a bit
>more the current rules and the way of living of the country they visit.
>It is sure that the international situation of
>the US $ drive the meeting outside USA very
>expensive. RC Leif propositions are very wellcome.
>Each continent may organize its own meeting
>without being in concurrence with the World wide ISAC meeting.
>
>I also wanted to insist on thepoint highlighted
>by R.C. Leif - Since the member****p has every
>right to know what is being done with their
>money, the Council should maximize the
>availability of this information to the member****p.
>
>Sup****t towards youg investigators or beginners (students)
>I would like to suggest more financial
>implication for the sup****t of selected young
>students and investigators. This could be for a
>part suggested through ISAC to the compagnies
>which are involved since many years with ISAC or others.
>
>Internet:
>Easy tool on the cytometry mailing list to
>contact compagnies (See message from PARTEC / Roland G=F6hde - 19 mars
200=
8).
>This subject might come to discussion as soon as possible.
>
>Fields of interest:
>I also have to insist that ISAC has to be aware
>of all the biological fields where cytometry is
>used... And a better place has to be given again to:
>=95 Plant cytometry
>=95 Oceanograpgy
>I is clearly visible that we have lost much peoples in these domains.
>This is also true for clinical hematology and classical/modern Cytology.
>
>Thanks you, as all the candidates I would
>appreciate your vote for Biological councilor
>and I ask you to consider the discussion initiated by R.C. Leif
>
>Patrice X. Petit, Ph.D.
>
>Dr. Patrice PETIT
>CNRS Research Director
>Institut Cochin, CNRS UMR 8104
>24 Rue du Faubourg Saint-Jacques,
>75014 Paris, France
>
>tel: 33 (0)1 44 41 24 50
>tel: 33 (0)1 44 41 24 11
><mailto:pxpetit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>pxpetit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>N.B. for memory, the R.C. Leif proposition for discussion
>
>Goals for ISAC
>
>1. Increase the international presence of ISAC:
>
>Although it might be appropriate to have an
>international congress in Asia, there is the
>problem of the increase in travel costs for most
>of the ISAC members, who presently live in
>Europe or North America. There is also the
>secondary problem that many of the US members
>pay their own way to meetings outside of the
>US. An initial compromise would be to consult
>actively with the present Asian member****p on
>where in the US and Europe would be most
>convenient for them. Another possibility would
>be to have ISAC involved in a meeting that
>involves multiple countries in Asia that is
>similar to the Annual Meeting of the German Society of Cytometry.
>
>2. Controlling costs:
>
>Because of the quality of its journal,
>Cytometry, and meetings, ISAC provides
>considerable value for its member****p. However,
>it is necessary to keep in the tradition of Paul
>Robinson, Bob Zucker, and others in keeping ISAC
>affordable. The cost of our last International
>conference in Quebec City was $ 450. Our next
>conference in Budapest is $650 and a recent
>conference in Montpellier was $725. This
>difference in apparent cost between the Quebec
>City and the other meetings would be increased
>if the true costs for meetings were compared.
>The true cost is the sum of the cost paid by the
>individual to attend and the money gained or
>lost by ISAC on the meeting divided by the
>number of attendees. Although the potential
>scientific value of our meeting in Hungary is
>obvious, the financial costs will be
>significant. This will be exacerbated by the
>decrease in value of the US dollar vs. other
>currencies. Unanticipated changes in a large
>cost, such as the use of a convention center
>outside of the US, can affect the financial
>reserves of ISAC. ISAC can protect itself
>against currency value fluctuations by investing
>part of its reserves in banking accounts and
>other conservative investments that are
>denominated in Euros and other strong currencies.
>
>A useful means of enlisting the member****p to
>help to control costs is to publish our
>financial statements on the ISAC web site. These
>statements should include a description of all
>significant transactions and the sums and
>averages of each type of small transaction.
>Since the member****p has every right to know
>what is being done with their money, the Council
>should maximize the availability of this
>information to the member****p. As some of you
>have observed, I often ask questions of the
>speakers at scientific meetings. I intend to
>continue my questioning at ISAC Council meetings.
>
>3. Data standard development:
>
>This work includes continuing in the
>development, implementation, and aiding the
>acceptance of the new Analytical Cytometry
>Standard, ACS. My goals for the ACS are to
>maximize: the scientific and engineering quality
>of the standard; reuse data-types, such as those
>from FCS and other research and medical
>standards; and to cooperate with other societies
>in order to assure interoperability with their
>standards. The XML schemas and Resource
>Description Framework do***ents, which will be
>the major deliverables for the ACS, are software
>objects, which will need to be acceptable to the
>FDA and similar regulatory agencies as components of medical devices.
>
>4. Worldwide education:
>
>One of the benefits of our International
>Congresses and other meetings is that the
>audience is exposed to outstanding lectures.
>Just as several major universities are putting
>their lectures online and even are opening up
>satellite campuses, it should be possible to put
>some of the lectures up on the ISAC web site. In
>order not to compete with the attendance at the
>meetings, the availability of these lectures
>could be delayed. This would help to disseminate
>cytometry to the less developed countries. The
>posters could be put online as PowerPoint or PDF
>files. Any use of the presentations and posters
>would require the authors=92 permission. A similar
>means could be found for dissemination of the
>tutorials. If there is a charge for the
>tutorials, it could be reduced for scientists in low income counties.
>
>5. Internet
>
>Internet distribution has decreased the cost of
>publi****ng and distributing Cytometry and has
>minimized the cost of publi****ng in color. In
>fact, because the cost of color printing is
>high, many figures in Cytometry now include in
>their caption, "[Color figure can be viewed in
>the online issue....]". The normative format
>(reference version) of Cytometry is now the
>downloadable file. The management of the
>technology required to maintain the integrity of
>the Journal as a single entity rather than a
>separately downloadable collection of papers
>will be a near term problem. In order to
>maximize Cytometry=92s impact factor, the ISAC
>Council must make every effort to keep the cost
>of our online papers affordable and competitive.
>
>
>
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