Various problems regarding advertising and list abuse
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From: J. Paul Robinson <jpr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Mon Mar 31 2008 - 01:18:05 EDT
From J. Paul Robinson - Moderator
Robert is right - there is too much politics and not enough science...
What is happening here, is that there are too many cooks.
Let me make it very clear that we work hard to keep this list clean.
It
does not always work. When we identify a failure, we usually respond
to
the person concerned and don't waste all your time.
We frequently note in our posts, that advertising is not allowed.
This
list was developed from 2 or 3 individuals who actually had email in
1990, to 3000 over the past 19 years. It did not happen by chance,
nor
was it overnight. It was developed with a lot of cost ($$$), a lot of
time, and what was a pretty darned good idea when it started. We
don't
tolerate people who try to damage the list.
Now that it's highly successful, there are a number of individuals
that
are trying to either cir***vent the list, use it for their own
purposes,
or simply sideline it. There are even some proposing that they should
be
able to manipulate the list and its contents in any forum for any
purpose. I am really shocked at this rather callous approach to a
scientific discussion board. I am not making public those individuals
or
their companies, but if I am pushed, I will identify them publicly. If
I
do so, and they create havoc, it could shut the list down - or end up
in
a nasty legal battle. I don't suppose that would be popular?
So, it seems to me, that we need to get back to basics and focus on
the
reason this list has been so successful (and why you all want to use
it
for advertising - or even why those who what to hijack it...) - it
does
a good if not great job overall.
thanks for your sup****t - all 3000 of you ...well most of you!
Clearly we will provide a mechanism for companies to provide a means
for
communication....it's on our list...
Maybe I am getting too old for all this abuse....!
regards
Paul Robinson
Purdue University
Robert J. Palmer Jr. wrote:
> "Ultimately it is Paul's decision since he and his crew do all the work
> to keep this list what it is, but you need to realize that it is what it
> is because it is monitored.........."
>
> Yep - so let the moderator do his work. I believe the moderator
> indicated that, when deemed appropriate, certain "posters" have been
> unsubscribed; the only evidence for this was the lack of subsequent
> posts. A grand announcement of rule violation followed by a public
> frog-march off the list seems unnecessary.
>
> This thread is getting a bit tedious - maybe those who wish to continue
> debate could use the subject line "vendor posts" so the science can be
> culled from the politics.
>
>>
>> Adrian:
>> The only reason it is, as you say, "occasional announcements" is
>> because Paul has discouraged this in the past. Once you open the door
>> by condoning this practice why should any of the other vendors
>> exercise any constraint? Then you are no longer dealing with an
>> "occasional" announcement. I am sure all of the companies have
>> announcements they would like to make to this group about new
>> locations, websites, services or products, but that is what marketing
>> budgets are for. As I said previously, I have no problem with vendors
>> contributing to any scientific discussions on the list as I have
>> learned from many (especially Rick Haugland), but announcements of the
>> sort from Bay Biosciences are marketing. If everyone thinks this
>> type of post is appropriate then let's be fair and let all the vendors
>> have at it and then you'll see how "occasional" it is. Ultimately it
>> is Paul's decision since he and his crew do all the work to keep this
>> list what it is, but you need to realize that it is what it is because
>> it is monitored and commercialism has been discouraged in the past.
>> "JL"
>>
>
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J. Paul Robinson
SVM Professor of Cytomics
Professor of Immunopharmacology & Biomedical Engineering
Director, Purdue University Cytometry Laboratories
President, International Society for Analytical Cytology
Purdue University Cytometry Laboratories
Bindley Bioscience Center
1203 West State Street
Discovery Park, Purdue University
West Lafayette, IN 47907-2057
Ph (765) 494 0757; Fax (765) 494 0517
email: jpr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Received on Mon Mar 31 15:38:00 2008
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